24-7...Over 3-1 voted for it....

I have grown up around guns and bars...

It's kind of humorous for me to hear this story.... because it's the people with 50 caliber MOUTHes who flap jaws at bars that usually start all the trouble....Usually, the guys with their CCW's are pretty much quiet and conservative in their behaviors.... They are NOT gun carrying WILD WILD WEST people. It's humorous to read this story...because I have lived my whole life around gun carrying folks and countless folks I know have been carrying guns in bars for DECADES WITHOUT INCIDENT! (Wrong or right-it's been happening for ages!)....

It's the unlicensed, street punks who put me in fear...

The teens buying guns on the street from their friends who have never been trained about safety and proper usage of those weapons are the ones that scare me. The ones who keep unregistered guns in their houses hidden where little kids find them scare me. Those are the ones who don't respect weapons like they should be respected.

My child and other family children have always been taught to respect the weapons, understand the dangers of using them, and even been trained to properly use those weapons. Our kids know that those weapons are NOT toys, that they are very dangerous, and they don't have excessive curiosities about those weapons because adults were NOT "hiding" them but teaching them about guns & locking them up afterwards. They know because adults took time to teach them about guns properly.

Most bars have guns in them from the get go....right behind the bar! That is a well known fact that most don't even speak about... I don't know many bar owners that are not packing in some way... Same for all the corner stores in this world...

People are sick of being robbed by terrorizing criminals of all races.

I have NEVER been afraid to walk in a bar knowing that there was a gun in the mix. In all actuality, it made me feel safer just knowing that there were people there willing to keep the peace! I have never been afraid to hang out with a licensed CCW person. Yet, I have been afraid of uneducated, reckless, and nothing to live for people who get their hands on guns... They are the ones who really hurt people both intentionally and unintentionally! 

 

 

 

 

Always Appreciative, "ANGELnWard14"

 

guns...

Shall we ban knives in bars? How many folks have been cut by knives in bars throughout the ages of time in comparison to being shot by guns? 

Guns & Knives are NOT DANGEROUS... It's the users of them that are dangerous...

People's emotions are the key element that drives violence at any location in the world.

If someone has lost control at any degree in any place; almost any "item" on the planet could turn into a "weapon" in a matter of seconds.

Some people tend to let their kids play violent video games and see no harm in it. Those games are not outlawed. People are hurt at their places of employment every day in our world by everything from heavy lifting to paper cuts. We live in a dangerous world...But we don't outlaw work! We drive in vehicles and could have an accident at any point for a number of reasons. It's a dangerous world out here....regardless of guns.

My brother was murdered because another human being lost control and beat him to death with his bare hands...no weapon, no item; just his enraged body parts. Shall we ban 'HANDS' at bars? 

The human factor determines "VIOLENCE".

People need to learn skills that prevent violence, deter it, and help them to act more realistically to "violent" impulses that hurt other people.

Life is such a challenge! We, as individuals, have to think about our choices to be violent and to project our emotions on other people.  We have a choice...

And I believe that others should have a choice to defend themselves from unpredictable violence whereever they are in the world...  

....Maybe we should mandate "ANGER MANAGEMENT TRAINING" be completed before anyone turns 21 and is able to enter a bar, place of employment, or go anywhere in the world....Perhaps then we'd have a lot more peaceful resolutions to violent situations! 

 

Always Appreciative, "ANGELnWard14"

about the loss of your brother.

 

It is time to get serious about what freedom means. Neither of you (Kathy or Angel) are right tho, no one needs any mandate.

This is a free nation, free people and to suggest we need rules in place like you have, twist the rights we already have.

I think you both already really know that, just think.

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"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. U.S. 230 F 486 at 489

"Where rights as secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which will abrogate them." Miranda v. Ariz., 384 U.S. 436 at 491 (1966).

"The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.
No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no courts are bound to enforce it." - Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 256 137, 180

"Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection and justifies no acts performed under it. No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it." 16 Am Jur 2nd Section 177

"All laws, rules and practices which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury v. Madison

"The United States is entirely a creature of the Constitution. Its power and authority have no other source. It can only act in accordance with all the limitations imposed by the Constitution." Reid v Covert 354 US l (1957)

"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all." - Justice William O. Douglas

 

 

 

 

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The problem is, America is NOT a Democracy - it is a Republic! As our Founding Fathers established, can we keep it?

That issue with guns in bars is interesting.  It is debatable though. Obviously some people like it or the bill would not have passed the Senate. Charleston Heston was once a liberal before pushing guns for the right wing consevatives. We went to the theatre with my dad to see his movies like The 10 Commandments and Ben Hur--Kathy Way Coleman

My condolences also Angel n Ward 14 as to the death of your brother. It is hard to lose a close sibling. Kathy Wray Coleman