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Giglio Property - Actual Tax Balance is 17,132.98Submitted by stephanie on Tue, 12/01/2009 - 15:15.
I know that information on this topic is unwelcome. Still I think there is a moral obligation to say that the current charge on this property is $17,132.98. It doesn't matter what you call the debt it is still owed the same as tax. Also according to the county the property is not in foreclosure but on a payment plan. It's a mystery why a few people attack anyone who doesn't mindlessly jump on the 'dbra' train or commit the even greater crime of offering facts that can be backed up. Look at the numbers for yourself posted at the end of this entry or follow the links to the county sites. Sorry for the facts.
CUYAHOGA COUNTY ASSUMES NO LIABILITY FOR DAMAGES AS A RESULT OF ERRORS, OMISSIONS OR DISCREPANCIES CONTAINED IN THESE PAGES. PROSPECTIVE PURCHASERS SHOULD CONSULT A REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY AND PURCHASE A TITLE INSURANCE POLICY PRIOR TO THE SALE. http://treasurer.cuyahogacounty.us/payments/real_prop/viewer.htm
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mr. big guy
they just assessed a $15,000 charge for the demolition a day ago.
Frank's attorney plans to handle that.
Meanwhile, his arrearage is $1200 - thats the amount needed to get him off the foreclosure list.
OH - and OH yeah - you're a real ass.
ALFRED IS INCORRECT
There is a difference between taxes and a lien for a demolition, but then you knew that, didn't you. Come on out, alfred.
Alfred aka SImpleton?
Alfred aka SImpleton?
we knew that this was going to happen
The detractors, the nay sayers who like to suck up time and energy. whatever.
nah.
i think AKA samuel... as in rat assed Catania
Frank's taxes
The demo fee was just added on their "up to date" website yesterday, at least that is when I noticed it, and I check daily.
Good timing Joe and Tremont West.
An act to possibly discourage people from donating? I knew that this would be posted by some of them, too. Sick bunch of assholes.
According to the attorney that I talked to last night, if the demo order was expired it is illegal and the demo company can not bill for the demo. The attorney was amazed that the Landmark's Commission could predict the future. They have ESP just like the inspectors that can sense interior violations just by looking at the outside of perfectly normal- violation free- homes and buildings. Although the Landmark's Commission agreed the first time that the house was sound, when they came back the second time and said the house would only continue to deteriorate if owned by Frank. Didn't say it was deteriorated, in fact just the opposite. But they were able to predict the future. Like the attorney said, they can NOT base demolitions and Landmark property decisions based on what might happen in the future. The house was admittedly solid according to Cimperman's past comments in which he admitted that the roof, gutters, painting, etc., was absolutely in good shape, but they were so deeply concerned about Frank's safety for a possible fire. All of this concern for a fire, but the attorney was much more interested when I told him that the house was vacant and that the City had the electric company remove the electrical meter, so the fear of an electrical fire was eliminated. Therefore, Frank's vacant home would sit empty, just like the other two directly across the street that have been vacant and deteriorating for about 20 years or so. The attorney thought that was interesting, too. Even the Landmark's Commission admitted the place had good floors, roof, etc. , they predicted the FUTURE and they were not legally able to base their decisions on what MIGHT happen in the future. Their decision was to be made on the condition of the home at the present time, not the future.
The attorney is very interested in this case and kept asking me if I was sure of some things that I told him. Kinda like he could not believe what he was hearing.
Happy to learn that Frank
Happy to learn that Frank has an attorney.
Frank
Thank you, Ward14. I hope that you attend Frank's fundraiser. I enjoy your comments and would like to meet you.
me too Ward14
I'm actually nice - I swear!
W14R, dbra, and lily
I have met you all and you are all great. I hope that you do all get to meet. It has struck me as a little funny when the sparks have flown, that if you knew each other, you'd see it differently.
written words dont always properly convey emotion
written words dont always properly convey emotion
anyone who knows me personally know I usually dont mince words and I am pretty direct. But that often comes across as brash in writing. Florid prose drives me insane - unless its meant to entertain and its funny.
I'm also perfectly capable of disagreeing with someone and still liking them (just ask Frank).
However, deceit and greed (whether it be monetary or power - ahem. ahem) I will never trust. As Action Jackson says "it is what it is".
I believe in full disclosure.
If I'm going to donate money I believe that it is important to know that the County believes that the amount owed is $17,000 not $1,200. That is important information. That debt isn't going to disappear.
Some of you think that it is productive to call me names for posting actual Auditor and Treasurer info. I haven't done any harm to anyone or anything.
You owe me an apology. I am not the bad guy here.
but, alfred
you are not going to donate, and unless you are indeed simple, you know the difference between taxes and a brand new lien. Your posting is that of a lie or a simpleton. you just don't want anyone else to donate. The fundraiser is 2 to 5 Sunday, 12/6/09 at 2716 W. 14th, for everyone who is interested in helping.
MORE full disclosure
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/973124/what-is-a-lien
Different states have different laws, However a call shoud be made to the City to find out what their policy is toward how much time is permitted to go by, before non-payment of the lien to pay for the demolition, to force sale of the property in this case.
At the link, it was two months if the full demo cost of the lien wasn't paid, the property was sold.
I understand an atty may think he can get that lifted, but show that in writing - then those two things done, you will have full disclosure.
My compassion goes to Frank and friends. Battles aren't fun, and I m sure he doesn't need the stress either. He still owns the property, first in line, first in time. Perhaps he should go down and put a lawful lien against it for his sweat equity and more......some have filed a ucc1 and strarved off the wolves this way. He should find a sovereign and learn about those things IMO.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."
Thomas Jefferson
Good Luck, Betty
The problem is, America is NOT a Democracy - it is a Republic! As our Founding Fathers established, can we keep it?
sorry, but no apology on my end....
There is no name calling to you directly in my blog, if you were referring to me. Just the facts......
My reference to "assholes' is directed to Cleveland Building and Housing, Tremont West, Simpleton and the other sick people that are involved. Just to clarify.
If you fit into that category, than it is what it is...
my reference to an asshole
was both direct AND intentional.
'nuff said.
So Alfred was Correct
There are 2 properties. One is an empty lot 004-10-028. This lot is in foreclosure and the amount owed is $184.50.
The other lot is 004-10-027. This lot is not in foreclosure but is listed as having a payment plan. The amount owed is $17,132.98.
Recent donations were paid on the wrong lot. The foreclosed lot would have been paid off by now but for the 3 sirens who pounce like rabid ferrets on every word spoken on the subject without their permission. The correct information was given and you were told to ignore it by the self appointed angels of Frank.
Alfred posted the actual county information.
Here's the county information.
2002 (pay in 2003)2003 (pay in 2004)2004 (pay in 2005)2005 (pay in 2006)2006 (pay in 2007)2007 (pay in 2008)2008 (pay in 2009)2009 (pay in 2010) function changeYear(obj) { var ls_parcel; ls_parcel = "004-10-028"; if (obj.value != "") document.frm.year.value=obj.value; SubmitThisForm('taxbill.asp') }
2002 (pay in 2003)2003 (pay in 2004)2004 (pay in 2005)2005 (pay in 2006)2006 (pay in 2007)2007 (pay in 2008)2008 (pay in 2009)2009 (pay in 2010) function changeYear(obj) { var ls_parcel; ls_parcel = "004-10-027"; if (obj.value != "") document.frm.year.value=obj.value; SubmitThisForm('taxbill.asp') }
alfred did not post correct informatiom
Welcome to realneo, Homer. You said that recent donations were applied to the wrong parcel. I am just curious as to how you can up with that information. If you care to post that info, we will take it seriously and see what we can do.
Thanks for posting both parcel numbers, but as you can see, Alfred only posted info on the one not in foreclosure.
Thanks,
Debbie
Now I have ESP. Just like the inspector and Landmark commission
Mad magazine's simpleton, Alfred E. Neumann??
calm down, Homer....
The $184.50 will be paid off before the deadline.
Frank's taxes
Cassandra,
Thank you for your post. I think there is a lot of confusion with this, including on my part. Since it is so hard to believe that the City would actually foreclose on anyone's property for a measly $184.50, I think we all incorrectly assumed that the foreclosure would be for the other parcel owing more than the $184.50.
According to Frank, he cleared up the fee the city added to allegedly clean high weeds from a vacant lot back in Spring 2009. The fee was removed in September 2009. The foreclosure was filed in November 2009. The City is not supposed to foreclose on vacant land until at least $500 is owed. But for Frank's case, they decided to file for a measly $184.50.
This should offer further proof of the harassment to Frank Giglio.
For those that are not attending Frank's fundraiser but still want to contribute, please make the checks payable to Cuyahoga County Treasurer's Office. Since there is a possibility that some good people actually contribute, we need to make certain that the payments are credited since there is so much crookedness going on here. We have no way to verify that random donations are actually being credited to Frank's account. I plan on going downtown with Frank to take care of this after his fundraiser. Having cash/checks in hand will be a bargaining tool on Frank's end. We are also going to vigorously demand that that court costs, title search, etc., be waived since it was their mistake. It appears that they make a lot of mistakes with Frank.
Please mail your donations to: Frank Giglio, c/o Lily Miller, 2220 West 20th Street, Cleveland, OH 44113.
If you were kind enough to contribute already by mailing your contribution to the tax department, please send your receipt to the above address or e-mail here. We need to make sure that all of donations are actually credited since there is so much corruption.
After we pay off the foreclosure case, any left over money will go directly towards his tax arrears for his other parcel.
Sorry for the confusion. thank you to everyone that contributes...
mistakes happen, and it did to me
Yesterday, after checking out Frank's property on the auditor site, I checked mine for the heck of it. I found a fee plus interest for "grass cutting" applied to my tax bill. I call the City Department of Parks, and the person said yes, this was a clean up and grass cutting of my vacant property. I explained that I have lived here every day for a number of years, my property is not vacant, the city never cut my grass, and I never received a bill that would have clued me into this error. The city said that the date of the clean up was 5/29/07 and I have to prove that I resided in my home on that date. I talked about a vacant lot 3 doors (owned by a former cleveland police lieutenant who got it from the land bank and now wants $25,000 for it but never maintains it). Well, since my parcel number was recorded, it is up to me to prove that I lived here. I will, but have already paid the fee in error, thinking that the taxes just went up, but since I never got a bill, how else would I know?
BTW, the true vacant lot is not being billed for either clean up or taxes.
Moral of the story: check the auditor website for your own property, and any elderly neighbor while you are at it.